Monday, February 8, 2010

Martin Luther was the first person to start the move towards a reformation? True or False?

If you say false...who started movements towards a reformation before Luther?Martin Luther was the first person to start the move towards a reformation? True or False?
False


* John Hus


* Jerome of Prague


* Savonarola


* William Tyndale


* Peter Waldo


* Wessel Harmenz. Gansfort


* John WycliffeMartin Luther was the first person to start the move towards a reformation? True or False?
There were others. But they made so little progress they weren't even recorded.
He may not have been the first, but he was the first probably to get away with it and continue to live, although he had to hide out to preserve his life. The Catholics need to get over their propaganda, no one believes they are the true church but them. Jesus said to be no part of the world, and the Catholic Church was a state religion. Of course they never read the bible so how would they know, right? They were the only church by force for many years, that did not mean they had God's blessings. The funny thing about Martin Luther, was that he was very prejudice toward Jewish people and thought them deserving of death. Of course after being a Catholic for so long, killing those you opposed was normal.





Edit: Erasmus may have influenced Luther, but I don't think he was the leader that Luther was.
dont forget to mention he was also a hateful bigot.





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews鈥?/a>
Absolutely





Did you know that Luther admitted that the Catholic Church was the true Church?





';Accordingly, we concede to the papacy that they sit in the true Church, possessing the office instituted by Christ and inherited from the apostles, to teach, baptize, administer the sacrament, absolve, ordain, etc., just as the Jews sat in their synagogues or assemblies and were the regularly established priesthood and authority of the Church. We admit all this and do not attack the office, although they are not willing to admit as much for us; yea, we confess that we have received these things from them, even as Christ by birth descended from the Jews and the apostles obtained the Scriptures from them.';


Sermon for the Sunday after Christ鈥檚 Ascension; John 15:26-16:4 (2nd sermon), page 265, paragraph 28, 1522.





Luther remarked several years later:





';We concede -- as we must -- that so much of what they [the Catholic Church] say is true: that the papacy has God's word and the office of the apostles, and that we have received Holy Scriptures, Baptism, the Sacrament, and the pulpit from them. What would we know of these if it were not for them?';


Sermon on the gospel of St. John, chaps. 14 - 16 (1537), in vol. 24 of LUTHER'S WORKS,


St. Louis, Mo., Concordia, 1961, 304





It sounds like yet another lamentation from him doesn't it?


Interestingly, how many of his present day followers would agree with what he said in those remarks?





Here is a small sampling of the 33,800+ non-Catholic denominations, and the dates of founding:





1521, Martin Luther started the Lutherans when he broke away from the one true Church that had already existed for 15 centuries. Prior to this time, the false doctrine of ';Sola Scriptura';, or ';Bible only';, had not existed, and neither had the false man made doctrine of ';Individual Interpretation'; of Holy Scripture.


1521, Thomas Munzer started Anabaptists by breaking from Lutheranism in the same year.


1534, King Henry VIII started the Church of England. (Anglican)


1536, John Calvin, teaching predestination, formed the Calvinists.


1560, John Knox, who studied under Luther, started Presbyterians.


1582, Congregationalists started by Rob Brown, as a branch from Puritanism.


1609, John Smyth formed the Baptists. They have severely splintered since then.


1739, John Wesley started the Methodists, in a split from Anglicanism.


1774, Theophilus Lindley started Unitarians.


1789, Samuel Seabury started Episcopalians.


1793-1809, Churches of Christ had four separate founders.


1830, Joseph Smith founded the Mormons in Palmyra New York.


1860, William Miller, a farmer, started the Adventists.


1863, Ellen Gould White started the Seventh-Day Adventists.


1865, William Booth started the Salvation Army.


1875, New Age was started by Helena Blavatsky. *COL 2:8


1879, Mary Baker Eddy started Christian Scientists.


1879, Charles Russell started the Jehovah's Witnesses.


1895, French Abbe, Alfred Loisy and English Jesuit, George Tyrrell started Modernism.


1900-1920, conservative Episcopalians, Lutherans, Presbyterians, and Methodists,


formed a consortium, and started Fundamentalism.


1901, Pentecostalism was started in the United States. It has since split into many independents.


1914, Felix Manalo started Iglesia ni Cristo.


1930, Independent Churches of America (IFCA), was formed by a consortium of churches.


1952, L. Ron Hubbard started the Church of Scientology.


1965, Chuck Smith began Calvary Chapel.


1968, Disciples of Christ, started as a splinter of Churches of Christ.


1974, Ken Gullickson started the Vineyard Christian Fellowship.


20th century. Assemblies of GOD, and other splinter Pentecostal groups, are some of hundreds of new sects founded by mere men.





The very founder of the ';Reformation';, Martin Luther, was the ';regrettable'; one, as he surveyed the damage that his rebellion against authority had caused. His writings show that he lamented his deed when he penned the following remarks...


';This one will not hear of Baptism, and that one denies the sacrament, another puts a world between this and the last day: some teach that Christ is not God, some say this, some say that: there are as many sects and creeds as there are heads. No yokel is so rude but when he has dreams and fancies, he thinks himself inspired by the Holy Ghost and must be a prophet.';


De Wette III, 61. quoted in O'Hare, THE FACTS ABOUT LUTHER, 208.





';Noblemen, townsmen, peasants, all classes understand the Evangelium better than I or St. Paul; they are now wise and think themselves more learned than all the ministers.';


Walch XIV, 1360. quoted in O'Hare, Ibid, 209.





This was just the tip of the iceburg there is much much more on this deviant.
False





King Henry the 8th..
I'm gonna say false. The Eastern Orthodox Churches came way before the Martin Luther led reformation. There are also other Pre Lutheran groups such as the following groups:





Hussites


Moravians


Taborites


Unity of the Brethren


Utraquists


Wycliffites / Lollards (extinct)


Waldensians


Waldensian-Methodist Union of Italy


Waldensian Church of the Rio de la Plata








The Lutheranism came.








http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chr鈥?/a>
False - Desiderius Erasmus, thankfully remembered as Erasmus, founded ';humanism'; and influenced Martin Luther directly (see link).
Christ!
Ulrich Zwingli

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